fRront page post #15(?)/ 10-17-16
Indigenous tRibes gatheR against fRactuRing-Waters need & wRong alignment-Pipeline
My sentiments are: three-states mal-aligned w the law are that criminal in hiring goons for defense against peaceful-pRotesting american-Indians (indige-Amers)…
“Winona LaDuke, Native American activist, executive director of the group Honor the Earth, she lives and works on the White Earth Reservation in northern Minnesota. And we’re joined by Tara Houska, national campaigns director for Honor the Earth. She is Ojibwe from the Couchiching First Nation.
We welcome you both to Democracy Now! Winona, let’s start with you. We have spoken to you intermittently through this resistance. Where does it stand now?
WINONA LADUKE: Well, as far as we are in—I mean, I’m just looking at the big picture. Right now there is about 900,000 barrels per day of oil coming out of this state, and they project that into 2019. And so, what I’m trying to understand is, is that if that’s all they have and it’s already going out, why do they need another pipeline of 570,000 barrels of oil per day? In other words, they’re already meeting all their demand. For the next two years, that’s all the oil that’s in there. And this is really—what we call this is the Dakota Excess pipeline.
AMY GOODMAN: The Dakota Excess.
WINONA LADUKE: Dakota Excess pipeline. This is really about spites. It’s really about spite.
AMY GOODMAN: What do you mean?
WINONA LADUKE: It’s just really about hating. You know, it’s just really about trying to put something in across these tribes. It’s exactly what the chairman and you said before: If they wanted this pipeline so damn bad, they should have put it north of Bismarck, you know, and they should have—they should not have violated the law. The whole pipeline was approved through something called the Nationwide Permit number 12, which means they could it into a lot of little pieces and never do an EIS, and pretend like—you know, that’s intended for like if you have like a pipeline from a school to the water service center or something like that. It’s not intended for a 1,600-mile pipeline. Total misuse of the law, you know, and the president really needs to intervene and uphold the law.
AMY GOODMAN: Tara Houska, you have been following these protests and the level of militarization in response to the protests. You were there on Saturday. We spoke to you at one of these peaceful marches of hundreds of Native Americans.
TARA HOUSKA: Yeah, I mean, we’ve seen this incredibly militarized response from North Dakota that has been so over the top in reaction to Native Americans peacefully protesting, praying for the land, praying for the water. These are women and children that are out there. I mean, we saw the most—the most recent one on Indigenous Peoples’ Day. They had Native Americans out there praying for the land. They put a tipi up in front of the actual pipeline route, and they called that a riot. There’s nobody there rioting. They’re doing that as they’re—North Dakota is doing that as it’s increasing the amount of militarized response, militarized force. They’re calling in other sheriffs from other states. They’re upping this incredible amount of police force for no reason.
…WINONA LADUKE: Yeah, they are totally trying to demonize us, is what they’re trying to do. And the fact is, is that the people that are out here, you know, are trying to protect the water. They aren’t making any new water in North Dakota, and this is the only water we’ve got, same water as when dinosaurs were here. And this is what we’re going to need to drink and our descendants are going to need to drink. And all our animals, our horses—all our animals need that water, too. And this is a chance to protect that water. North Dakota has already done enough to kind of mess up the water out here with all that fracking waste and starting to pretend that that’s working out OK for us. It’s not. It’s time to stop. It’s time to stop and protect the water.
AMY GOODMAN: There are a lot of people concerned that this is escalating to a very bad situation. Are you concerned about this?
WINONA LADUKE: Yes, I am concerned that they escalating it. The police are who’s escalating it. Our people have consistently been praying. Our people have been consistently engaged in nonviolent direct action. And, you know, we had a forum in Bismarck this last week, and it was very well attended, because I think people in Bismarck want to know why all these cops are out there, what is going on, you know, why these people are coming in here. So, you know, I’m saying to people of Bismarck, people in North Dakota, we’re here because it matters. I’m from northern Minnesota, and bad things happen in North Dakota and head my way, whether they’re pipelines or emissions from your coal plants. You know, it affects all of us. So, you know, it is time to say our civil rights, our constitutional rights are all being violated.
… ARA HOUSKA: I thought it was, you know, kind of sad when they stated—you know, one person stated that they should have voiced, and they should have—the Native Americans should have participated in the process. This is years of opposition by the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe that has only recently become compounded by all these—you know, the influx of thousands of people, because it got that far. There was opposition all the way from the beginning, and it just kept clicking along. And then it became to the point of them actually constructing into the ground, ripping apart sacred sites. And then all these people came.
It was also really sad to hear, you know, that they’re opposed to—they think that pipelines are safer, that they’re somehow safer than the bomb trains that are passing through, they’re somehow, you know, a better solution. The better solution is renewable energy. The better solution is not having something that can—that goes through the ground, often leaks. There are, you know, so many leaks along pipelines, aging pipelines and even new pipelines, thousands and thousands of gallons spilled in a single minute. I mean, that’s not a solution. The solution is renewables. You see these big energy departments with little renewable departments within them that are basically not working, not doing anything. We’re in one of the windiest states that I’ve ever been in.
… WINONA LADUKE: What I’d say is that like North Dakota—like just the Fort Berthold Reservation has 17,000 times more wind capacity than they can use.
AMY GOODMAN: And where is Berthold?
WINONA LADUKE: Just north of here. And that’s the one where all the fracking is. And all those people want to talk about pipelines. Twenty thousand gallons a minute, that’s how much will spill out of a pipeline. And when had that spill, the Kalamazoo spill, it took them 17 hours to stop it. You know, because it’s out of sight, out of mind, doesn’t mean it’s working out.
And, you know, people in North Dakota and people around the country really need to be concerned about these pipelines, because, as the chairman said, you had pipelines that have been here for 50 years. They were put in before any of the environmental laws. And those pipelines are already leaking. They’re weaping. We have pipeline in northern Minnesota with 1,400 structural anomalies in them. Structural anomaly means not working out, pinhole leaks, the kinds of things that caused the Kalamazoo spill. So, you know, this is an issue for all of us. You know, the country has a D in infrastructure. This country has a—First World country—D in infrastructure. And that pipeline infrastructure, which is all over North Dakota, all over northern Minnesota, is what we should all be concerned about. There is no easy way out of this, except for clean out your old mess and make infrastructure for people and not for corporations. $3.9 billion could mean a lot to North Dakota in real infrastructure, you know, and to Native people for real infrastructure.”
please check below URL’s for complete video/text:
“Dakota Excess Pipeline? Standing Rock Protectors Strip-Searched, Jailed for Days on Minor Charges” Democracy Now Oct 17th 2016 http://www.democracynow.org/2016/10/17/dakota_excess_pipeline_standing_rock_protectors
“Part 2: Winona LaDuke & Tara Houska on the Indigenous Resistance to the Dakota Access Pipeline” Democracy Now Oct 17th 2016 http://www.democracynow.org/2016/10/17/part_2_winona_laduke_tara_houska